Hypnotic Surrender
Log of experiences during deep surrendered hypnosis. Describes the power or control transfer aspects of hypnosis.
This is a log between a client and their hypnotherapist. The client has a kink about surrendering in hypnosis and the relationship includes authoritarian hypnosis but recently migrated to a deeper and more ongoing surrender.
This log is rated PG but not R or X, sort of like the hypnosis relationship itself.
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I'd gone silent in the blog for about a month, but activities continued. I've made a bunch of catch up posts, most not as detailed as usual but they at least still give a feel for the progression. I suggest reading from 10/21 onward. I'll probably fill in more later.
Hypno Tinkling
Today Goddess X played with her tinkler in her bathroom. We had started the session talking about recordings, microphones, background hum and white noise all in conjunction with some new recordings she wants to make. A few tests showed a persistent hum and we thought it might be that the smarts in the machine was turning up the sensitivity during the pauses trying to catch sounds that were not there. To fix this we decided to try adding some background noise by moving a tinkling waterfall from her studio into her more sound proof bathroom.
It was a small contraption to cause the problems it did. Too loud, too soft, motor sound coming through, water level too low, water overflowing onto the floor, spilled rocks, etc. During the sessions I'm always looking for bloggable moments and in particular I look for intriguing blog titles. I joked with Goddess X about blogging about her tinkling in the bathroom and she laughed and told me to go ahead. Oh well, at least I did not title it playing with her tinkler.
After the setup fiddling was complete the recording session itself went well with only a small false start. It was a general trance induction for sleep or meditation sort of thing and at the end she gave a choice between two different things. Afterwards I commented that while she had described that there was a choice to be made, she never told them to actually make and execute their choice -- the literal trance logic that hypnosis brings had me with a choice in mind waiting for a chance to exercise it. Trance literalness can be a pain, but it is a frequent aspect of hypnosis and so she re-recorded the ending with an explicit moment where the choice would be applied.
As with the other recording, I was impressed at the care Goddess X took making it. It is not so much the setup of the recording studio but it is rather how natural her voice is, how polished the timing, how integrated are even things like her breathing. They are definitely quality recordings well suited to their purposes.
It was a small contraption to cause the problems it did. Too loud, too soft, motor sound coming through, water level too low, water overflowing onto the floor, spilled rocks, etc. During the sessions I'm always looking for bloggable moments and in particular I look for intriguing blog titles. I joked with Goddess X about blogging about her tinkling in the bathroom and she laughed and told me to go ahead. Oh well, at least I did not title it playing with her tinkler.
After the setup fiddling was complete the recording session itself went well with only a small false start. It was a general trance induction for sleep or meditation sort of thing and at the end she gave a choice between two different things. Afterwards I commented that while she had described that there was a choice to be made, she never told them to actually make and execute their choice -- the literal trance logic that hypnosis brings had me with a choice in mind waiting for a chance to exercise it. Trance literalness can be a pain, but it is a frequent aspect of hypnosis and so she re-recorded the ending with an explicit moment where the choice would be applied.
As with the other recording, I was impressed at the care Goddess X took making it. It is not so much the setup of the recording studio but it is rather how natural her voice is, how polished the timing, how integrated are even things like her breathing. They are definitely quality recordings well suited to their purposes.
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Trancing for its own sake
One thing I gripped about early in this blog is the lack of appreciation for trances as beneficial in their own right, that just getting away and relaxing for awhile is a beneficial goal all by itself. Nobody questions when this is the goal of a vacation, and nobody questions when this is the goal of a massage, but for some reason the hypnotherapy community rejects any consideration that this might be a goal of hypnosis. Go to a hypnotherapist and ask to relax and you are likely to be asked what is it that you really want.
Goddess N experienced this revelation herself. She had a lot going on, and just needed to get away. This we accomplished.
She greeted me at the door with an extended hug -- one of those that started normally but which then extended. I think she was glad to see me and needed a hug right then. There is a comfort level between us that is unusual and is in large part a result of the submissive relationship. The bond and trust we have built allows interactions that if done with others would tend to be misinterpreted but with us need no explanation.
We discussed Goddess N injury and its ongoing impact, and how it is aggravating something else. We discussed her recent life event. We discussed some business plans and possible obstacles, and how fear of the obstacles can prevent some starts. It is clear to us that Goddess N is the perfect person for a significant and useful niche, the only question is how best to get her out there. We discussed many other things -- Goddess N has a lot on her mind right now.
It came time to decide what we were going to do today. I had not arrived with any agenda or expectation, but I had developed an impression that she would benefit from a trance even if it had no specific target, and I articulated this. She did an "so, if I had something in particular to work on, you would be willing to trance me" and my counter was that "even if you had nothing in particular to work on, I'd be willing to trance you". (What is it with hypnotherapists that makes them think that hypnosis is so special it can be used only for very narrow and well defined objectives?) I stated that hypnosis by itself has enough benefits to be worth considering. She came up with a few possible particular but broad goals, more than could probably be addressed, and I truly listened and made plans to explore these. However, I knew that I'd see what her tranced self wanted most to explore before deciding which needed to most focus.
Goddess N is always shy about accepting hypnosis. While she may want it, it is a turning of the tables and she does not let herself be hypnotized often by anybody.
The trance induction used many components of our previous sessions but with a slightly more assertive style such as the use of snaps. From the everything is possible state of deep trance we explored some of what we had discussed, encouraging her to see herself getting the outcomes she wanted and using this to build the motivation to get there. What seemed hard when awake seemed easy in trance, practically done in some cases. At one point, she directly asked for a trigger, a "bonk on the head" so to speak to jar her past an identified bad counter productive habit. We also explored some fractionation where she would be brought out for a brief conversation before being placed back in trance. I see this as possibly enabling some more complex explorations where the best of both worlds is alternatively brought to bear.
Goddess N experienced this revelation herself. She had a lot going on, and just needed to get away. This we accomplished.
She greeted me at the door with an extended hug -- one of those that started normally but which then extended. I think she was glad to see me and needed a hug right then. There is a comfort level between us that is unusual and is in large part a result of the submissive relationship. The bond and trust we have built allows interactions that if done with others would tend to be misinterpreted but with us need no explanation.
We discussed Goddess N injury and its ongoing impact, and how it is aggravating something else. We discussed her recent life event. We discussed some business plans and possible obstacles, and how fear of the obstacles can prevent some starts. It is clear to us that Goddess N is the perfect person for a significant and useful niche, the only question is how best to get her out there. We discussed many other things -- Goddess N has a lot on her mind right now.
It came time to decide what we were going to do today. I had not arrived with any agenda or expectation, but I had developed an impression that she would benefit from a trance even if it had no specific target, and I articulated this. She did an "so, if I had something in particular to work on, you would be willing to trance me" and my counter was that "even if you had nothing in particular to work on, I'd be willing to trance you". (What is it with hypnotherapists that makes them think that hypnosis is so special it can be used only for very narrow and well defined objectives?) I stated that hypnosis by itself has enough benefits to be worth considering. She came up with a few possible particular but broad goals, more than could probably be addressed, and I truly listened and made plans to explore these. However, I knew that I'd see what her tranced self wanted most to explore before deciding which needed to most focus.
Goddess N is always shy about accepting hypnosis. While she may want it, it is a turning of the tables and she does not let herself be hypnotized often by anybody.
The trance induction used many components of our previous sessions but with a slightly more assertive style such as the use of snaps. From the everything is possible state of deep trance we explored some of what we had discussed, encouraging her to see herself getting the outcomes she wanted and using this to build the motivation to get there. What seemed hard when awake seemed easy in trance, practically done in some cases. At one point, she directly asked for a trigger, a "bonk on the head" so to speak to jar her past an identified bad counter productive habit. We also explored some fractionation where she would be brought out for a brief conversation before being placed back in trance. I see this as possibly enabling some more complex explorations where the best of both worlds is alternatively brought to bear.
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Old trances
Goddess X is always seeking to increase her effectiveness and toolkit, and having a willing submissive around can be handy for trying things. She had some writeups from the 60s of hypnotic techniques including some rapid induction methods you have probably never heard of and some other interesting things that have slipped from the general current hypno repertoire. She picked out a few and decided to use me to see how they worked.
It is completely clear to me why these things are not in the current hypnotic community -- they where so terribly awful as to be humorous. It is not clear if it was that the author knew nothing about hypnosis, that he just could not explain things, or if he was deliberately giving directions doomed to fail, but the net effect was as if all three applied. No imagery or sensation enhancing wording whatsoever, sort of like "look here, now you are smelling an orange, you are now hypnotized" -- it was that bad. She tried some things with posture involving a wall, and all the posture did was make compliance guaranteed to not be there, such as hoping to get an arm to levitate that could not possible levitate because of how it was trapped by the wall.
It did get better as it went on, but only because Goddess X discarded the material and went with her usual finesse. It is odd that when reading the descriptions it is not clear how bad they are, but actually trying it disclosed their true nature.
Hmm, between this and Comic Book Hypnosis, things which claim to teach how to trance have a 0 for 2 record.
It is completely clear to me why these things are not in the current hypnotic community -- they where so terribly awful as to be humorous. It is not clear if it was that the author knew nothing about hypnosis, that he just could not explain things, or if he was deliberately giving directions doomed to fail, but the net effect was as if all three applied. No imagery or sensation enhancing wording whatsoever, sort of like "look here, now you are smelling an orange, you are now hypnotized" -- it was that bad. She tried some things with posture involving a wall, and all the posture did was make compliance guaranteed to not be there, such as hoping to get an arm to levitate that could not possible levitate because of how it was trapped by the wall.
It did get better as it went on, but only because Goddess X discarded the material and went with her usual finesse. It is odd that when reading the descriptions it is not clear how bad they are, but actually trying it disclosed their true nature.
Hmm, between this and Comic Book Hypnosis, things which claim to teach how to trance have a 0 for 2 record.
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Seeking new levels
PLaceholder entry: Had a session with Godess B shere we sought new levels.
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Limits of Hypnotic Surrender
The Goddesses now all know about some major family turmoil that has recently resolved and while I had not shared with any of them; perhaps they will understand my lessoned levels of involvement with them such as not communicating as much. (Hey, I'm still getting tranced 3+ times a week -- that is not a lessoned level my anybody's standards other than our own.)
The Goddesses had all know of some of the lead-ins to the turmoil but I kept them in the dark as to the actions that were being undertaken until they had already occurred. This was not an issue which trancing me would help, and I did not want any well meaning but off target uninvited assistance. With respect to this part of families, I have more significantly experience than they have and I'm walking some unusual paths.
I'm not filling in the details, and I've kept almost all aspects of myself private including age, region, and profession, so why am I mentioning this at all? It goes to the heart of one of the stated reasons for this blog, to let others understand this sort of hypnotic surrender relationship. This turmoil is worth mentioning both to better understand my recent interactions with the Mistresses and to see if the hypnotic submission was a factor in the turmoil.
I think that all of the Goddesses thought I was withdrawing a bit or hiding something, and I was. (Goddess N might not have noticed, but only because she had a concurrent peak in her personal turmoil.) With regard to this sort of surrendered relationship, it is notable that I could hide a super major thing and that they did not pry. This alone is a major declaration of many things that this submissive relationship is not. Many of the "what if"s that people might suppose can be negated by this observation. They are not in control of my life, I have not surrendered my decision making (outside of trances), I am not dependent on them, and I decide where to draw the line of intrusion into my regular life.
I cannot supply the supporting details, but there is clarity that my submissive relationships did not contribute to the turmoil. The turmoil was not from getting "caught" or anything involving my one on one relationship with my wife, and my time spent in hypnofun did not take me away from contributing positively to the situation. The hypnofun probably kept me calmer and "saner" in a nearly insane situation and allowed me to be a point of stability for others. It would have been a disaster if we had all "lost it". Instead, I was in control, as I usually am and as others expect me to be.
The Goddesses had all know of some of the lead-ins to the turmoil but I kept them in the dark as to the actions that were being undertaken until they had already occurred. This was not an issue which trancing me would help, and I did not want any well meaning but off target uninvited assistance. With respect to this part of families, I have more significantly experience than they have and I'm walking some unusual paths.
I'm not filling in the details, and I've kept almost all aspects of myself private including age, region, and profession, so why am I mentioning this at all? It goes to the heart of one of the stated reasons for this blog, to let others understand this sort of hypnotic surrender relationship. This turmoil is worth mentioning both to better understand my recent interactions with the Mistresses and to see if the hypnotic submission was a factor in the turmoil.
I think that all of the Goddesses thought I was withdrawing a bit or hiding something, and I was. (Goddess N might not have noticed, but only because she had a concurrent peak in her personal turmoil.) With regard to this sort of surrendered relationship, it is notable that I could hide a super major thing and that they did not pry. This alone is a major declaration of many things that this submissive relationship is not. Many of the "what if"s that people might suppose can be negated by this observation. They are not in control of my life, I have not surrendered my decision making (outside of trances), I am not dependent on them, and I decide where to draw the line of intrusion into my regular life.
I cannot supply the supporting details, but there is clarity that my submissive relationships did not contribute to the turmoil. The turmoil was not from getting "caught" or anything involving my one on one relationship with my wife, and my time spent in hypnofun did not take me away from contributing positively to the situation. The hypnofun probably kept me calmer and "saner" in a nearly insane situation and allowed me to be a point of stability for others. It would have been a disaster if we had all "lost it". Instead, I was in control, as I usually am and as others expect me to be.
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Goddess N's revelation
Goddess N has a life event coming up about which she had some apprehensions. This seems unrelated to her prior issue -- or at least it did to her. Sometimes a third party can see what the person cannot, and I saw a clear parallel between this and the prior issue. This was a "sit down" sort of observation -- when I shared it she sat down because once mentioned it became clear to her also. The dialog went something like this:
DT: Might this be an expression of something else?
GN: I'm just worried about ...., I've never been worried about something like this
DT: We haven't talked about [rephrase the issue to show the similarity to other one], have we?
GN: Huh?
DT: We haven't [rephrase to make it a bit more clear], have we?
GN: Why should we?
DT: You know, [rephrase to make it absolutely clear]
GN: OH [exclamation deleted]! (sits down), pause, [another soft exclamation], I hadn't even thought of that!
DT: Do you think that could be it?
GN: [definitive affirmation]
DT: [Starts discussing how it is not really the previous situation]
It was clear that this was a hit, and Goddess N had to bring her emotional and reactive reasoning in line with what she intellectually knew was correct. As she said, "this is really an irrational fear". This fear had found a home only because it was the old thing expressing itself in a disguised face.
After a good deal more non-tranced talking, it was clear to both of us that a trance would help Goddess N. This we did, and we explored the event, her knowledge of the reality of it, the outcomes, and how she would feel after it was over. I was confident we had dispelled the dark cloud from the new form, at least for now.
I had to go out of town and would be gone until after the event occurred, so I called in reinforcements -- I sent an email to Goddess X informing her of the revelation and of Goddess N's probably need for reinforcement. She jokingly replied that she hates it when her clients are more intuitive than her. (In reality, it was just that I was just there at the right time). Goddess X offered Goddess N more support but she was feeling much better because of our work and did not need anything. This is not surprising really, because most of the work was done in that "OH" moment -- once the nature of the cloud was revealed, she had the tools she needed to dispel it.
DT: Might this be an expression of something else?
GN: I'm just worried about ...., I've never been worried about something like this
DT: We haven't talked about [rephrase the issue to show the similarity to other one], have we?
GN: Huh?
DT: We haven't [rephrase to make it a bit more clear], have we?
GN: Why should we?
DT: You know, [rephrase to make it absolutely clear]
GN: OH [exclamation deleted]! (sits down), pause, [another soft exclamation], I hadn't even thought of that!
DT: Do you think that could be it?
GN: [definitive affirmation]
DT: [Starts discussing how it is not really the previous situation]
It was clear that this was a hit, and Goddess N had to bring her emotional and reactive reasoning in line with what she intellectually knew was correct. As she said, "this is really an irrational fear". This fear had found a home only because it was the old thing expressing itself in a disguised face.
After a good deal more non-tranced talking, it was clear to both of us that a trance would help Goddess N. This we did, and we explored the event, her knowledge of the reality of it, the outcomes, and how she would feel after it was over. I was confident we had dispelled the dark cloud from the new form, at least for now.
I had to go out of town and would be gone until after the event occurred, so I called in reinforcements -- I sent an email to Goddess X informing her of the revelation and of Goddess N's probably need for reinforcement. She jokingly replied that she hates it when her clients are more intuitive than her. (In reality, it was just that I was just there at the right time). Goddess X offered Goddess N more support but she was feeling much better because of our work and did not need anything. This is not surprising really, because most of the work was done in that "OH
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